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Bill Boyle
Horse Feathers (Charter Member)

USA
4795 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  07:40:07 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just read the USMC has ordered thousands of M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistols from Colt. This is a version of the original 1911 model designed by John Browning. In 1985 the .45 ACP was dropped by the government in favor of the Beretta 9mm for the military. AS you know, the .45 ACP has considerable more stopping power than the 9 mm. This pistol was the mainstay for the US military for decades--it's back!

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GtoGuy32
Cochise

USA
842 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  09:18:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1911 .45 is the best hand gun ever made.

9mm is a great law enforcement gun though (from what I have heard).

There are probably some economics built into the goverment's decision to use 9mm, as well as most law enforcement.

Edited by - GtoGuy32 on 25 Aug 2012 6:08:00 PM
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  09:38:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My old boss is a Reserve LASD Deputy.He told me about a robbery/shoot-out he was involved in.He said the perp was shot 27 times with a 9MM.He told me the story the morning the perp was released from the hospital.If he was shot 27 times with a .45-there wouldn't have been enough left to put in the meat wagon.

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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
5338 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  09:51:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The smallest of any rounds i shoot are .45. If you're not putting enough punch in your gun to handle a problem if it does arise because .45 is a little pricier, then you're missing out on cheap insurance. I have 3 - .45 semi auto handguns, one .45 carbine that takes mags from 2 of the hand guns, and then everything else is 12 gauge, 7.62x39 or 7.62x54r. I know some people chooser smaller rounds to save money or because "it's enough in case something happens that i'll have something on hand" but that's not good enough for me. I want to be putting more firepower down than i'm getting back.

Also, read a study done the other day that showed, after testing confiscated weapons, that criminals favor cheap, small caliber guns, and that the majority don't work or are loaded with the wrong ammo when confiscated. The deck is already stacked in your favor, might as well take a larger round and stack it even more.
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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
7221 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  10:03:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What CB said. That scenario has occurred many times since the 9mm cam into "favor". Usually the reason for its popularity in many locales are politics, desk jockeys or bean counters.

There is nothing like the 45 (1911) and it remains my favorite which is why it is NEVER in the gun safe with the others.

Bowties are for Pee-wee Herman. "Chevy": even the name sounds cheap, but not as cheap as your Pontiac will be with an LS transplant.
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Bill Boyle
Horse Feathers (Charter Member)

USA
4795 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  10:05:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The .45 ACP round provides more stopping power because of it's mass. It provides more recoil too and one has to be trained to be proficient with it. The 9 mm stemming from the Luger pistol round is faster (fps) and more forgiving in the aiming and hitting the target department.

I recall my high enthusiasm to shoot my Colt the first time and was surprised that none of my shots even hit the silhouette. I had the opposite result when first firing a Walther in 9 mm. My conclusion: The 9 is far easier to shoot.

The 7-shot clip of the .45 ACP became unpopular with the advent of other machine pistols with far more clip capacity. Firing lots of rounds keeps heads down. (Example: the horrific German MG42 of WW2). It's easier to shoot with far more round capacity.

Years ago I performed a little test. We had three handguns: .357 Mag, a 9 mm, and a .45 ACP. We attached a 1/8" round steel plate about 9-10" in diameter to a wooden pole and stuck it in the ground. The .357 mag made a hole in the steel plate, the 9mm splattered and the .45 ACP knocked it to the ground.

This is the stopping power the USMC is after, I believe.

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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
5338 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  10:20:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I was having the same fun with the 7.62X39 and X54r at 100 yards with 3/8" steel plate. Yes, 3/8". The X39 would leave a NICE big dent in the plate. The x54R blew holes straight through. Shows you the difference in velocity and power at medium distance with different rounds. You need to use the right round, in the right gun, at the right range to have maximum chances of delivering the damage you want, accurately and with minimum inconvenience. I prefer the Mosin X54r at 100m+, the SKS/AK at 25m-100m, and i like the .45 carbine indoors and closer than 25m. I only like the shotgun for the wife because it's easier to load than racking my stiff semi-autos, and you don't need to be as accurate shooting down the hallway. Because of it's length, i wouldn't like to be checking the house with it.
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GtoGuy32
Cochise

USA
842 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  6:13:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What kind of .45s do you guys have? Mine is a S&W 5", blued with skeltonized hammer and trigger, walnut grip. Nice piece.

Standard guide rod.

Any of you guys run the full length guide rod?

Here in Massachusetts we can't get too many nice guns. I really wanted a Kimber.
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  6:59:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

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GtoGuy32
Cochise

USA
842 Posts

Posted - 25 Aug 2012 :  10:03:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That thing is ready for action. So jealous...I need to move to New Hampshire.
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  12:12:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kimber no longer makes it.This pistol fits my hand like it was molded for it.

I like my Colt(Series 80-late 70's) which is modified but the Kimber is "the Cat's ass".


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NoPath
Tribal Scout

USA
32 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  12:41:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 1911 design is fantastic. The first automatic I shot was my Father's 1911. I have been a fan ever since.

I picked up a 9mm Glock 17 in 1991 and put 20,000 rounds though it in the early 90s when I took lunch at the range every day. It never has missed a beat, and 20 years later it looks about like the day I bought it. Glock is a cheap, ugly, stamped out mass produced thing. But it is a hell of good design.

My Day to day carry weapons are both .45. A Glock 30 and the Sig 1911 RCS.

Bedside I keep a Benelli M4, staggered buckshot and slugs.


--=<( Ed P.)>=--
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Bill Boyle
Horse Feathers (Charter Member)

USA
4795 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  09:15:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Browning's design has held up to the "test of time." It's the benchmark.

I have a MKIV Series 70 Colt, nickel with walnut medallion grips.

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  10:55:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=haiqFcIXTqs&feature=endscreen

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Bill Boyle
Horse Feathers (Charter Member)

USA
4795 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  11:49:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
CB--finally a good use for Fram filters.

However, I have no need for a suppressor (silencer). Big Bang Theory! Bazinga!!!

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  12:35:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For those who like shot guns, my friend Barry from georgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=crOg6YvBeXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=YBWWqXVbAfA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=VM393EyIx-o&NR=1


Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2012 :  2:58:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a supressed 10/22.My Ruger air rifle is louder.

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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 30 Aug 2012 :  01:12:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.staged.com/video?v=q0eb

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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
7221 Posts

Posted - 30 Aug 2012 :  08:43:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My Colt 1911 was purchased by my dear Uncle in 1968. He used it for competition shooting for many years, collecting a mantel full of trophies. When he retired, I bought it from him. He had done his own "cleanup" work inside back when it was new and it works like a Swiss watch as long as I don't put crap ammo in it. It's my favorite as said previously but it also is very special to me because of the rich family history that accompanies it. The only thing I changed are the grips as I needed something better than the OEM wooden grips for my large hands.

Bowties are for Pee-wee Herman. "Chevy": even the name sounds cheap, but not as cheap as your Pontiac will be with an LS transplant.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  03:14:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I purchased this from a nice old lady. She said here husband had passed away and it was under the matress on his side of the bed. She handed it to me chambered cocked and locked. I said yes mam and gave her a fair price.



Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.
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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  03:23:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Early production Mark IV series 70. Professionaly installed grip saftey, hammer, sear, and disconector. SWEET SHOOTER




Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  03:31:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fully loaded Colt in 38 super. Carbon steel with hard chrome finish. Tac Driver! Winchester silver tips, custome hand load. Effective on Werewolves and Zombies.




Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  03:53:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At the range i shoot 1911. for self defence i choose Sig Sauer. I own 4. None of them have ever failed to feed. All of them have been out of the box, dead nuts on target. The single or double action with de-cocker makes them safe as a revolver. No saftey to fumble with. The first one i purchased was the compact 245 in 45 ACP. It can tare up a surveyor stake at 60 yards. 5+1. I carried this one for years.



Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  04:04:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This 220, 8+1 with night sights i bought used. It showes it's age with the West Germany stamp. When i take the kids to the movies i carry this one.




Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  04:21:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This 220 Elite i keep by the bed. Enhanced fraim with external extractor and light rail. All these sig's will feed any factory ammo or hand loads that i put through them.







Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  04:32:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sig 220 Hard chrome slide. presentation grips. FOR SALE. 4 Sig's is over kill. For you guy's I'll knock some money off. Very fancy. Great for go to church weapon. I will include a holster. Please E-mail



Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  04:47:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh Crap. I almost forgot the commander. SWEET SHOOTER. Points quick.




Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.
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NoPath
Tribal Scout

USA
32 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  09:22:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hunting with a silenced weapon was recently made legal here in Texas. $200 per weapon tax.

I have messed with wax/lead custom loads for a 12g in the past. Very interesting results. Sadly for civil liability reasons I am stuck with store bought ammo for home defense.

Great pictures. Thank you!

--=<( Ed P.)>=--
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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
7221 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  10:30:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great stuff B&P!

Bowties are for Pee-wee Herman. "Chevy": even the name sounds cheap, but not as cheap as your Pontiac will be with an LS transplant.
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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  5:17:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, Dont shoot anyone with a hand load. But it's OK to buy some super hot Corbon MF loads. My self defense loads are to recomended book spec. No hot loads. It's hard on the gun any way.


Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2012 :  11:45:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
B&P-you really want to have the same "type" of gun for defense & practice.

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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  04:23:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CB, this songs for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJQgo0QpSs
turn it up. full screen


Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  10:38:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You just don't get it.

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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  1:46:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CB i appreciate your input and concerns. For me the fit and function of the sig sauer lends it's self to being more confident with the weapon. I also practice with wheel guns. A mechanic can make repairs on many types and brands of cars but after years of experiances, he will form an opinion about which make or model he preferes for a particular application. Everyone be happy and play the vedio again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=AIhNP9Gv9c8


Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.

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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
7221 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  1:59:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
X2 to CB's post. Always advisable to be as familiar as possible with the carry piece so, if faced with a life threatening situation you are not fumbling around. A split second fight or flight decision is difficult enough without trying to remember which firearm you are pulling out of its holster and all the particulars that go with it.

Bowties are for Pee-wee Herman. "Chevy": even the name sounds cheap, but not as cheap as your Pontiac will be with an LS transplant.
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  2:43:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You still don't get it.

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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  5:51:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blued and Painted

At the range i shoot 1911. for self defence i choose Sig Sauer.


By the quote above You might get the idia i dont practice with the self defence weapons. This is not the case. Firearms, shooting and reloading is a BIG hobby of mine. We can all appreciate a nice fairlane, barracuda, or harley davidson. It can be the same with firearms.
CB, Im sure im still missing your point. Please splane it to us.


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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 03 Sep 2012 :  9:08:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If the need arises to use your weapon,you don't have time to think.If you think-you're gonna die.Everything has to be reflex.You can't afford to think"what pistol did i just grab"?And when one is SA and the other is DA-it gets worse.

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torqueymonster
Cochise

USA
524 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2012 :  09:33:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine."

I get it. No time if your family's in danger to think, "I'm in bed, so the gun I have next to me is the 220 Elite, and it holds x number of rounds and tends to kick to the right..."
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
5338 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2012 :  09:57:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
All of my cheap pistols are blowback, thumb safety, .45 that you rack the same way. Not near as classy firearms as you gentlemen above has posted, but i can tell you, i always wondered if i'd have time to rack a round after waking up (all 3 have stiff springs). I always wondered if i'd even have enough guts to leave the bedroom if someone was there. One night the dog woke up and charged the living room after we heard a noise. I was wide awake (4 am, was dead to the world), round in the chamber, safety off and clearing that house before you could say "what was that?!". In my boxers. I have no doubts now that no matter what gun i grab, unless you get into my room while i'm still sleeping, i'll be ready before my feet hit the floor.

Now i always wonder, if there's a bigger problem, is 10 rounds enough to get to the rifles/readykit/shotgun in the basement? Opposite end of the house from me.
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BearGFR
Bear

USA
580 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2012 :  10:07:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit BearGFR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I kinda like my Springfield XD .45. It feeds 13+1 rounds of whatever I want to put in it. I've got big hands and it fits me just fine.

Bear
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
5338 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2012 :  10:56:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have large hands also bear, and i can attest that most smaller guns don't feel comfortable. The taurus i have is about the smallest i can go (think it's the PT 145 pro)
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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2012 :  10:57:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great choice torquey. Cort, glad to see your ready to go. Bear, I get the fealing your not going to hesitate if somthing bad happens. Personaly, I only have a 30 day supply of canned foods a pasta's. Still no bug out bag.


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BearGFR
Bear

USA
580 Posts

Posted - 07 Sep 2012 :  1:18:50 PM  Show Profile  Visit BearGFR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah Cort, I've also got a little Bersa 380. I don't like shooting it much because it's so small that all the hard edges on it manage to hit my hands in all the wrong places. It's good for what I bought it for. Tell you though, the first time I engaged the de-cocker on a loaded chamber and that hammer fell I about wet my pants. I still don't like that aspect of it. :)

Bear
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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 07 Sep 2012 :  1:28:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by torqueymonster

"
I get it. No time if your family's in danger to think, "I'm in bed, so the gun I have next to me is the 220 Elite, and it holds x number of rounds and tends to kick to the right..."



That is correct.

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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 07 Sep 2012 :  4:49:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Worse than owning more than one kind of hand gun, i stagger hollow points and truncated FMJ rounds in the same magazine. For car doors


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torqueymonster
Cochise

USA
524 Posts

Posted - 25 Sep 2012 :  2:35:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, a car door has been seen wandering around my neighborhood late at night, too. Those things are trouble.

heh, heh.
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The Great White Buffalo

USA
7221 Posts

Posted - 14 Jan 2014 :  6:46:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TTT

Bowties are for Pee-wee Herman. "Chevy": even the name sounds cheap, but not as cheap as your Pontiac will be with an LS transplant.
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Chief PONTIAC

USA
3409 Posts

Posted - 22 Nov 2014 :  5:52:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A review on the Kel-Tec KSG bullpup shot gun.

>> http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-tec-ksg-15-round-shotgun-range-report/ <<


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Cobrabill
Talking Dog

Aruba
3128 Posts

Posted - 22 Nov 2014 :  8:03:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The wife now knows what to get me for Christmas.

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