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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 07 Jul 2012 :  05:20:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was wondering how many 1971 lemans sports were made

Mine has the endura front bumper and ram air hood

350 stock with 2bbl 2jet carb

When i restore it (soon) i was thinking about putting a newer gto interior in it like 2004-2006 dash seats center counsle door panels

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Christ
Howling Wind

USA
1799 Posts

Posted - 07 Jul 2012 :  09:47:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christ's Homepage  Reply with Quote
then your not restoring it. I frown upon that I like the stock interiors.
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GtoGuy32
Cochise

USA
514 Posts

Posted - 07 Jul 2012 :  11:57:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Mike, looks like you're fairly new. Welcome. I'd restore the car to whatever makes you happy. If resale is a consideration, keep that in mind when you make big changes, but if you like the modified look, it's your car so go for it.
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 07 Jul 2012 :  12:07:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I havent really made up my mind really i was thinkin stock but change the interior from brown to black....or go with aluminum interior like some drage cars.aluminum door panels dash etc with to racing seats and keep it street legal...or the newer gto interior Resale i dont think ill ever sell it.......any one know how many lemans sports were made

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Mark S.
Cochise

USA
430 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  03:27:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Swapping the late interior into the older car will involve a lot of fabrication, especially the dash. The 04-06 GTO seats are too tall to use as is without removing the seat tracks & modifying them to sit lower. It can be done, though. I'd personally just go with the seats & have an interior shop build some nice custom door panels to match the GTO seats & keep the '71 dash. You could always use some Autometer type gauges for that modern look. An aluminum "race car" interior is cool to look at, but I wouldn't want to live with one on a daily (or even a part time) driver, they're noisy & they rattle.

Sounds like a great project! Post up some pics when ya get a chance!

PSP Member since 1996

Never enough cubes...

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein


Edited by - Mark S. on 09 Jul 2012 03:28:27 AM
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  4:17:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ill post some pics once i start sanding it for paint


Anyone know how many pontiac lemans sport 2dr hard top were made in '71
I read somewhere 1337 were made but not sure if its correct

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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  4:23:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
2 door lemans sport hardtop? like thousands.
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  4:55:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
3100, or 34,000 according to link below. I saw like 3 this weekend.

http://www.oldride.com/library/1971_pontiac_lemans.html
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  5:28:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks cortcomp according to that there were only 3100ish lemans sport made

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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  5:30:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks cortcomp according to that there were only 3100ish lemans sport made

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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  5:36:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder how many were scraped crashed made into racecars or are sittin in barns or rusted to the point the cant be restored

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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  5:40:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i'm not sure if 235 series or 237 series is lemans sport. I'm sure my 71 manual has the break down, i should be home to see it in a bit.
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  5:44:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Offhand, i really have to think 237 series is lemans sport, as 235 series has 4 door hardtops and sedans, and 2 door sedans (post sedans like my t-37) and a wagon. I don't think you could get those as a lemans sport. I'd really think 34K is the real number for hardtop 2 door lemans sports. Your dataplate on the firewall will likely narrow down the series.
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  7:43:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the vin its 37 and 37=lemans sport and on that website oldride theres only 3100 made

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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  8:56:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
All of the models on that site are some sort of lemans. the 3100 made is 235 series. 237 series (which i'm guessing is yours) is 34,000 made for 2 dr hardtop. They're nice cars, but they're not rare. Honestly, none of our cars really are, unless someone here has like a 70 judge convertible or a GT-37. If a car is rare, there's not like 5 at a time for sale on ebay.


OK, here's from the 71 service manual:

Series name:

Lemans: 23500
Lemans sport: 23700

hardtop coupe is 23737
4 door hardtop 23739
convertible 23767

(no wagons or 2 door post sedans)

so that'd be this line:
237 37 2 dr Hardtop - 6P $3,125 / 3,246 3,199 / 3,455 lbs 34,625<-------total made
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  9:54:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah your right my car is a 237 lemans...thats what the vin starts with is a 237 37

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Christ
Howling Wind

USA
1799 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  10:57:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christ's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Madmike

Yeah your right my car is a 237 lemans...thats what the vin starts with is a 237 37




Madmike don't get me wrong. The question you should be asking your self is how many have survived? I rather see it put back to stock.It your car do what you think is best. I can tell you this a lot of them havebeen cloned into Gto's but there are not many that have been restored to stock!
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 09 Jul 2012 :  10:58:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
For sure, most lemans and tempests were wrecked, not taken car of, donor cars to GTOS and GTO clones. Saw far more gtos this weekend than lemans and tempest. I was the only T-37 there but at least one guy USED to have one. Posting pics of the pontiacs at ppg nationals soon
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 10 Jul 2012 :  2:13:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah itll be kept a lemans sport no gto clones
gonna have flat black paint
Chrome and black wheels
And a mild built 350 dressed up
Havint decided on the interior either new gto interior or the stock interior only black and not brown

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Chief PONTIAC

USA
2297 Posts

Posted - 10 Jul 2012 :  2:24:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you have to replace the engine, minimum CID 400/4 brl. IMO. Gu Waaa!

Bull Nose Formula, 461, R44TS, DEX/MERC
69 GTO-400/670/373/4Spd

Edited by - Blued and Painted on 10 Jul 2012 2:31:36 PM
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 10 Jul 2012 :  11:01:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blued and painted
Yeah im putting a 400 in it followed by a 2 speed power glide with a 3.73 posi rear end

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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2012 :  12:32:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
3.73 will be fun UNLESS you're going to be driving highway at all. i have 3.45 and even in 1:1 3rd gear the drone from the performance exhaust around 2000rpm can be killer. it's the worst at around 70-80 (2000rpm) with OD. If you're not doing OD, and it was me (i do decent highway drives) i'd go 3.23. Depends what you want from the car.
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2012 :  12:33:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Also someone else here buying a 400 block for the heads for his 455, maybe you can get the 400 rotating assembly if you don't have one.
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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
6194 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2012 :  09:54:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've had the most OVERALL performance on the street with 3.08's. Even with a 350 thats properly tuned and the right convertor they perform well and cruise nicely on the highway.

"Chevy": even the name sounds cheap.
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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
6194 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2012 :  09:57:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As a footnote, PG's sucks on the street. Only one step from "forward-reverse" for Petes sake. There's a good reason they typically came in the "utility" models.

"Chevy": even the name sounds cheap.
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
4146 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2012 :  10:51:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I had an ST300 (same thing right though? automatic 2 speed?) in my 67 4 door tempest, OHC 6. Just drove so nice. For a driver, i would use one if i had it. For a street fighter/cruiser automatic, i'd go 700r4 or 200r4, and then TH400, then TH300 in that order.
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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
6194 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2012 :  11:02:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For me/Street Cruiser (Automatic): 200-4R, 200-4R, 4L80-E (if heavy car/high torque), then TH350, TH400 if budget was my only concern. PG and ST300 only for originality reasons AND it was behind an I-6 or 326 perhaps.

"Chevy": even the name sounds cheap.
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Madmike
Buffalo

USA
61 Posts

Posted - 12 Jul 2012 :  01:24:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will a 455 crank fit in a 400


I might be doing some highway driving...
The 2 speed should be alright for me wont be doing to much driving 2-3 times a week


Can i put ram air 4 heads carb and everything else...and make the car ram air


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Chicagogoat
Cochise

USA
622 Posts

Posted - 12 Jul 2012 :  07:21:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit Chicagogoat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Madmike Posted - 12 Jul 2012 : 01:24:51 AM
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Will a 455 crank fit in a 400


No, 428's & 455's are large journal Pontiacs having main journals measuring 3.25" whereas 389's & 400's have 3.0" mains. Nowadays stroker cranks are readily available and stroker 400's are all the rage. I would recommend getting Jim Hand's book on how to build high performance Pontiacs. Its very informative reading on the ins and outs about these engines.


Pure Pontiac: learn it, live it, love it!
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Phil
The Great White Buffalo

USA
6194 Posts

Posted - 12 Jul 2012 :  07:22:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ram Air is a marketing term and not achieved by installing "Ram Air Heads". But you can install a factory type cold air induction package, either OEM or reproduction and then drive at least 90 mph to achieve some sort of "ram air effect".

Yes, the 455 crank can fit in a 400 if the machine work is done properly, basically consisting of turning down the mains from 3.25" to 3". Better off buying the Eagle crank IMHO.

"Chevy": even the name sounds cheap.
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