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Douglas Willinger
Sitting Bull

USA
140 Posts

Posted - 11 Aug 2018 :  11:56:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have always been keen on the idea of "GTO" builds based upon alternative body styles- aka "El Caminos", station wagons, as well as 4 door no B pillar hardtops.

I would rather build a "GTO" clone based upon any of these body styles as opposed to a 2 door body.

After all, if one is to build upon a body style that was offered as a GTO, why use a non factory GTO, as such will never be worth as much as a factory GTO, with the same level of build. Unless of course one is say building something more radical and seeks to avoid cutting up a factory GTO- say a car with tubs.

And building something as a "GTO" car-pick-up, wagon, or 4 door hardtop would be interesting, especially if combining different year attributes, such as the 1972 fender air extractors on the simpler 1970 front clip (if only someone reproduced the 1972 lower fenders).

My favorite GTOs are the 1968-1972, with my favorite being the 1970. I would very much like to find a good 1970-1972 Le Mans 4 door hardtop body. Combine the 1970 front end with that year;s Ram Air induction. Add the 1972 fender air extractors, and even a reproduction 1972 duck-tail rear spoiler. Get a correct vintage 3" journal 400 block, and use say #12 Ram Air III heads (with appropriate piston dish), or better yet, the 1970 #64 (87cc),the 1971 #96 400 heads, the 1971 #197 455 HO heads, or the 1972 #7F6 455 HO heads (with little or no piston dish hence retaining better flexibility feasibility for optionally switching to aluminum heads). Go with either a 4" or 4.25" stroke forged crankshaft. A transmission-differential arrangement for acceleration and speed, either with a 12 bolt or a HEIDT IRS.

Such could as well be done with a wagon, which more radically I would love to see customized into a hardtop wagon without the B pillar and window frames.

But where are the bodies?

I look on the internet. I see many 2 door cars but hardly any wagons let alone 4 door hardtops.






Edited by - Douglas Willinger on 23 Sep 2018 10:11:17 PM

Corncob2061
Cochise

USA
453 Posts

Posted - 12 Aug 2018 :  10:32:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would try Craigslist in different areas . Use Pontiac as the main search and 1970 to 1972 for the year. You see them out in the rural areas more. There use to be one a few miles from me, probably still sitting there surrounded by weeds.. some around became donar cars for 2 door projects. My cousin has complete 66 four door sitting next to his 67 gto. See that type of thing sometimes too. Jay
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Corncob2061
Cochise

USA
453 Posts

Posted - 12 Aug 2018 :  11:11:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would hold out for a nice 4 door driver that does not need much for body or interior work and swap the parts on to it . May take a while too find. Jay
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
5463 Posts

Posted - 12 Aug 2018 :  1:26:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Vid on here had a GTO badged wagon that was sharp:

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Corncob2061
Cochise

USA
453 Posts

Posted - 14 Aug 2018 :  01:19:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nobody elses auto recycling, Great Bend, Kansas

A few hundred projects waiting for the right home:)Jay

https://m.facebook.com/Nobody-Elses-Auto-Recycling-289579291065248/about

https://omaha.craigslist.org/ptd/d/parts-project-cars-1920s-70s/6667533605.html

Edited by - Corncob2061 on 14 Aug 2018 02:31:50 AM
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Douglas Willinger
Sitting Bull

USA
140 Posts

Posted - 15 Aug 2018 :  4:17:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Corncob2061

Nobody elses auto recycling, Great Bend, Kansas

A few hundred projects waiting for the right home:)Jay

https://m.facebook.com/Nobody-Elses-Auto-Recycling-289579291065248/about

https://omaha.craigslist.org/ptd/d/parts-project-cars-1920s-70s/6667533605.html



Thanks! Nice selection. I see a 1970 large Pontiac 4 door hardtop in photograph #8, but alas nothing as such for a Lemans.

Please keep such links coming
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Douglas Willinger
Sitting Bull

USA
140 Posts

Posted - 15 Aug 2018 :  4:26:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213037457114203&set=a.10213037455474162.1073741862.1325925834&type=3&theater

A Facebook listing fro "GM Sports Salvage" that I found this year, alas dated December 2012, and they tell me they no longer have it, that it was recycled.

If the body was a good as that photo appears and they crushed it, they are idiots.

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Corncob2061
Cochise

USA
453 Posts

Posted - 21 Sep 2018 :  08:36:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A 1971 gto for 3500 on Craigslist. Very rusty, but fairly complete. Not something you see every day. Jay

https://lincoln.craigslist.org/pts/d/1971-gto/6669334975.html
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Douglas Willinger
Sitting Bull

USA
140 Posts

Posted - 21 Sep 2018 :  4:35:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apparently no one makes reproduction 1972 T-41 lower front fender patches with the air extractor.

I will need to find used pieces with the extractor to graft on to another set of fenders, either 1970 GTO fenders or Le ans fenders modified ....

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Douglas A. Willinger
Tribal Scout

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 03 May 2019 :  05:05:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FOUND!

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.willinger/media_set?set=a.10214270785466641&type=3

Purchased last October along drive from New York to California.

1972 Luxury Le Mans 4 door hardtop. A relatively common 350 2 barrel car, idiot lights, automatic, a/c, with no vinyl roof, in the best color inside and out matching that of my 1970 Trans Am. Thank You God!!!!

It's a no rust north Texas car, driven no later than 2012, rescued from a junkyard for $200 and subsequently resold for $2K.

I found it via someone on Facebook who had seen a request of mine for a 1970-1972 4 door hardtop LeMans, as a Craigslist post only placed about half an hour earlier a a project car for $3000 obo. It included the 2 barrel intake, carburetor, roads and pistons from the original engine (the block and heads already gone), with a built 557/6X 1977 400 with an air gap aftermarket aluminum intake manifold (with a height the same as stock 4 barrel) and some sort of Holly carburetor.

Door panels are perfect. Dash is badly cracked and instrument panel was butchered for a stereo, with some damage there the underlying dash substructure metal.

Have already purchased a set of 1972 T-41 fenders with the extractors. Could go with either the 1972 or 1970 endura/hood, if the latter I could either use the 1970 or the 1972 front side markers.

The initial idea that came to me is labeling this 4 door hardtop build de-trimmed as a "what if" "GTO", essentially a LeMans Sport, like the famous 1971 "Monk King" factory original T-41/455 d port towing car.

But another "what if" idea that comes to me is a "Luxury Le Mans Sport", removing that lower side chrome, but keeping the rear chrome strip and "LML" c pillar logos, and moving the Luxury LeMans chrome lettering from the front fenders to the rear side with an added "Sport" lettering in the basic style of the 1970-1971 "LeMans Sport".

In keeping with a stock appearing "what if" scenario, I seek to have some company as Legendary provide a custom combination, as I desire to keep the stock blue interior color but with GTO/LeMans Sport style vinyl rather than cloth. Weirdly Pontiac did not offer blue for the non cloth insert seats, including no blue bucket seats (which I could swap in to replace the split bench with center fold down).

The plan this summer is to make it a running car with Bilstein shocks, the 557/6X 1977 400, concentrating on that with a good exhaust (RARE manifolds and 3" oval pipe x over with the 1972 chrome splitters), plus swapping in a restored dash-instrument panel, Formula steering wheel with a set of serviced Rally gauge cluster.

Eventually it will be body off frame with the swapped front clip, and ultimately with a small journal "455 HO" (1971-1972 400 block with 4" or 4.21/4.25 stroke aftermarket forged crankshaft, with 7F6 heads), added 12 bolt, front ILE 11.8" discs with 1978-1979 Seville/1978+ B car spindles).



Edited by - Douglas A. Willinger on 03 May 2019 05:24:17 AM
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Corncob2061
Cochise

USA
453 Posts

Posted - 03 May 2019 :  10:13:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like a very straight car. Are the summer plans to try getting the 400 running as is and see how it runs? Or is the plan going forward to rebuild the engine before it is put back on the road? Jay
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Douglas A. Willinger
Tribal Scout

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 03 May 2019 :  5:36:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Corncob2061

Looks like a very straight car. Are the summer plans to try getting the 400 running as is and see how it runs? Or is the plan going forward to rebuild the engine before it is put back on the road? Jay



The former, but with a cursory inspection before it's dropped in.

It looks rebuilt, from the outside, but no verification yet on the internals, such as any paperwork. The oil pan, intake, valley pan and starter are new aftermarket. The valley pan is some aftermarket design, as is the aluminum intake of a brand that I do not recognize, and "air gap" design for better flow, plus an aftermarket distributor. But the guy I purchased this car with engine project did not have any details on the short block asides from a cam card, a Comp Cams, 51-222-4 262/270 218/224@ 0.50 XE-262H-10 He told me he did not have the heads milled for higher compression. He sent me one picture of the shortblock before the heads where installed showing the standard twin duel eyebrow pistons. It probably has the cast rods. Came with a TH350 described as having a shift kit installed (and I already have a built TH400 with switchpitch that I was told came from a 1968 GTO that I could use).

Yes, I wish to build a better engine, but can't undertake such an expense now, with my current 1970 TA 434 project. Now I'm just going to work to make it a running car, starting with purchasing a set of Bilsteins (the shocks are quite worn), and a good exhaust system. It came with headers, but am told to avoid such and use Ram Air III style exhaust manifolds, etc.

Here's an additional photo album:

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.willinger/media_set?set=a.10213037455474162&type=3

Edited by - Douglas A. Willinger on 04 May 2019 6:35:29 PM
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