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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 24 Nov 2017 :  8:40:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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After the boys drove her to high school for a year, she's back in dad's shop for the winter for more projects. Remove and replace rear leaf springs, upgrade rear gears to 3.73s and posi, and hopefully get the doors and fenders aligned for real. Maybe a cylinder head upgrade as well, but splitting time between this and my 67 Bird- which is another post!

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 24 Nov 2017 :  9:08:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Day 1- pulled front fenders, hood and AC unit (in case we get to the cylinder heads..) Formula hood is in my garage with a little fiberglass repair

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 24 Nov 2017 :  9:17:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Jacked up, bolts are loose or free (the back leaf spring ones are a real bear- cut off wheel and sawsall). We needed to stop before dropping rear end, springs and all, until we remove emergency brake cables and rear break line(s)- hopefully tomorrow. Good way to work off too much turkey..

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 25 Nov 2017 :  3:07:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Removed the emergency cables (all all the rear brakes) and the brake line at the splitter block on axle- dropped it springs and all

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Bushings actually came out and look really good- how often does that happen?! Still being replaced
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After a good cleaning, we'll paint and replace the 2.41 non posi, carrier and all, with a posi carrier from a 77 TA that we are upgrading to 3.73s. All new territory for us but learning together. Do do have some "experts" to help with the set up- so we'll see how that goes!

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Posted - 27 Nov 2017 :  3:04:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ahhh, this is all good experience. Tearing apart is far easier than assembly. Clean parts really good including fasteners so they can be spun in by hand. That clean makes assembly later so much easier. Don't forget to take lots of photos on conditions and "tagging and bagging" is a must.

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Cowpatty69
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USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2017 :  5:36:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Pressure washed the rear end- little wire brushing and ready for paint. I'm thinking it will be more pleasant to work on if its not so gunky. We did go with 3.42s. Still have the upper shackles to remove- it's a pain with the gas tank in place

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 06 Dec 2017 :  5:41:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.. Doing a little work on the formula hood. If you look to the back of garage, you can see the 1967 Bird and subframe next to it- the OTHER winter project. But that's for another post..
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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 06 Dec 2017 :  5:46:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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As with most fiberglass formula hoods, the corners were wore off from storage-or dragging the points across concrete. Close enough now until we actually prep car for paint- which is at least 2 years away

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 10 Dec 2017 :  3:40:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Upper shackles removed- drivers side was an extreme PIA, but passenger side I was able to remove the nut! Again, the rubber grommets were like brand new and came apart and out with no issues. I'm thinking if this was a typical rusty midwestern car we would have dropped the fuel tank and saved time.
Rear end ready for paint

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First coat complete. Have checked in with the crew for the rear end overhaul party, and have reached out to some additional sources..

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 10 Dec 2017 :  3:48:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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So in a different post I was asking about a hard brake pedal-it's getting better, but not what I like. So anything not new will be new upon completion. It is way easier to replace the front to back brake line now with the front clip off. New rubber line with T-block as well, and 2 new lines from T-block to new wheel cylinders. Hope that helps!

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 07 Jan 2018 :  3:27:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Been working on the 67, but back to the 78 while waiting on parts. Went ahead and ran the front to back brake lines- except for the axle ones. Will wait until we are done with the rear end to install

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Can I just say what a PIA photobucket is!!

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 07 Jan 2018 :  3:33:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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So, we had a broken lock bolt that kept us from removing the axle pin. Hated to trash the rear, but it is an open 2.56 that we were going to trash anyway. Used an angle grinder to open up access to the rest of the bolt. Pulled it free and salvaged the rest. Crazy things that slow you down..

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 07 Jan 2018 :  3:38:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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With pin removed, axles came out no problem- continue to drain the pumpkin (and that gear lube stinks, by the way..) Backing plates off and blasted, ready for paint. Remove/replace the axle seals next and hopefully carrier removal as well. Can't get the rear to the rebuild shop until we get rid of some of this snow!-- But, without the carrier in the axle is much lighter
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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  4:21:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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So, it was a 45 day process to find someone that sets up rear ends, but we found an ace. He got it finished up and we got it back to the shop. Now came the real PIA stuff. 18 year olds seem to encourage us 50+ do take on tasks that we should know better..

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  4:30:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Where to begin.? The U-bolts (4 now instead of 2) were larger than the bracket plate or housing bracket holes- so drilled them all out. Had to bench vise the U-bolts to squeeze them to fit the holes. We had a set of used springs of a TA I had parted out, and all was good until we drove out the last bushing housings (which I thought were part of the spring, but weren't)-then one spring sat about 1-2" taller than the other. We were at the end of the day so we bolted them up. After sleeping on it,we decided to us a new pair of 2" drop springs I had in waiting for another bird. Benjamin and a buddy swapped the springs out and positioned the assembly, bolting up the front. Rear shackle were a serious pain. If you go through this process one thing I have learned- Drop the freaking fuel tank!..Miss that? Drop the freaking fuel tank!!

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  4:42:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Rear end is positioned- added the last of the new brake lines. Every piece of the braking system now is new with the exception of the pedal. We had aftermarket rear shackles to be able to "jack up the rear"- the vibe Benjamin had been going for. We originally went with the "stock" location, and 3 adjustments later, used up all the adjustment we had. Good thing we had the aftermarkets to go with the new drop 2" springs or we would even have made it to level. Every adjustment we had to remove the upper and lower shackle bolts. Have I mentioned- remove the freaking fuel tank??

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  4:44:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Final (we think) assembly- on to the brakes

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  4:48:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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This was actually enjoyable for me- I have done so many drum brakes, but never with all new parts-springs and all. I let Benjamin take the lead (or more likely, he shoved the old slow blind guy out of the way..)
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It is much easier if you have a complete side to look at as reference, but of course we did not- but pretty none the less!

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  4:54:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
U-joint and driveshaft. I did not get a picture (revised, pics below), but for those of you who have never replaced a stock GM u-joint, it's a new experience. You look in the yolk and it looks like a plastic pin holding in the u-joint from both sides. After you-tubing it, we applied heat with a small propane torch to the "pins" the the surrounding collar between and boom, the plastic creeped out like silly string. Wear glasses and gloves though- one side popped big time blowing molten plastic all over. Minor issues pressing in new u-joint that required a second shot, but got 'r done
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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  5:00:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Test Drive! We had to see how the swap from 2:42s one-wheel peel to 3:42 Posi plus the new springs would feel. She gets out of the hole nicely now (so much better) and no longer feels like a waterbed in the back! Short trip and back to the shop!

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  5:06:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Last year about this time, we ran out of time to get this car out of my dad's shop with them getting home from the warm confines of Florida, so we just slapped the front sheetmetal on as quick as possible. It all worked, but was poorly aligned at best. We had the front fenders off this time to re-adjust the doors. The engine hoist made this MUCH easier-

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  5:09:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ran out of time today, but hope to have the fenders back on this week and miscellaneous follow up finished to Benjamin can get it back in the school parkng lot (now that the snow is gone, at least for now) Come on Spring-! I'll get a better shot of the shackles too

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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 11 Mar 2018 :  8:11:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's coming along quite well. Keep at it.

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 13 Mar 2018 :  10:01:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Thanks Bill- many a swollen knuckle for sure. Here's a shackle shot.

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 13 Mar 2018 :  10:03:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Benjamin bolting fenders back on- only had time to get the two on. Hood and valance to wait for Friday or so-

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Cowpatty69
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Posted - 17 Mar 2018 :  2:40:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Sheetmetal back on, need a 20 mile shakedown cruise and break-in for the new rear gears, but raining. That reminded us that the front windshield is leaking. Removed the trim and did a little cleaning, but need to research the prep before applying the sealer. Using 3M windshield weld. Anyone ever used it before?
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Phil
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Posted - 22 Mar 2018 :  11:55:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Coming along! What's the ultimate plan with the Chevy engine? Hopefully replacing with a Pontiac??

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Cowpatty69
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USA
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Posted - 26 Mar 2018 :  9:01:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Phil- Ultimately it will have Pontiac power. Right now it's just a driver for my boys for high school (and its the coolest car in the parking lot), but that being said, a high school parking lot is alot like a driving range, so no real bodywork or paint til after they graduate! I have a '67 Bird I have been trying to get back on the road that I have been splitting my time with- now is getting my fill attention. I will be starting a post on it soon. There are a couple out here on it from my early years. Had a 454 BBC, now (as of today) Pontiac 400- finally!

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Cowpatty69
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USA
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Posted - 26 Mar 2018 :  9:13:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Illinois weather- 50+ degrees one weekend and the next-this! Guess we'll find out soon if the windshield sealed-

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