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scott h
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Posted - 07 Sep 2017 :  02:51:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone have documentation showing the smog requirements for 1969 Pontiac Firebird? I need it to confirm my car meets the 1969 requirements for California. This is a California DMV requirement since the car is being imported from Canada.

Hikin Mike
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Posted - 07 Sep 2017 :  03:32:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit Hikin Mike's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm a bit confused. I live in California and I also own a 69 Firebird 400 (w/455) and there is no smog requirements anymore. They used to require a smog check but that was 15-20 years ago.

- Mike



'69 Firebird 400 - Goldenrod Yellow, 455 +.060, '6s-7' heads, Comp Cam 276AH-10 (#51-309-4), TH400, Ford 9-inch w/3.08, 800cfm Q-jet, Stock Intake, Hooker Headers, Flowmasters
'68 Coronet 500 Convertible - Medium Gold Metallic, stock 318 +100,000 miles
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tjs44
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Posted - 07 Sep 2017 :  09:34:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also have a 69 and there was no issue on any 69 pontiac I have reg in CA.I always used AAA and never went to DMV?Tom
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cortcomp
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Posted - 07 Sep 2017 :  8:48:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I believe you can get that documentation from GM, i'm just not sure who or how. They basically confirm that it met the pollution and safety rules of the US at the time. I haven't done this but i vaguely recall reading about it.
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scott h
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Posted - 08 Sep 2017 :  02:55:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree it is stupid and confusing.

1) Smog is not required on cars 1975 and older in CA.
2) Smog equipment is required on all cars imported into California that were built in 1968 or newer. After that there is no inspection needed. Just need to show it was manufactured to the CA standard. No idea why this grey area exists, but I can tell you it has something to do with stupid politicians.
3) GM should be able to give me the documentation stating that the car (that was manufactured in Van Nuys CA) does have the same equipment as the cars sold in CA. Unfortunately, GM shifted this to GM Canada. GM Canada says they do not do this for cars older than 21 years because it is not required for import. Well GM Canada, welcome to California.

So in the end if I can find GM documentation that shows the smog equipment for CA and the rest of the world in 1969 were the same, I can probably make an argument.

At the moment they are calling my car a "grey market" car.

Thanks for all the help.
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cortcomp
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Posted - 08 Sep 2017 :  09:08:28 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have a 66 truck that came with A.I.R. injection/pump and PCV because it was a CA truck (other states would have been a road draft tube and no air into the exhaust manifolds) So, CA has been in the smog business well before the 70s.

I am not a lawyer, but were it me, i'd find a friend in an easier state to buy and register it, and then i'd have him sell it to me for $1. Coming in from another state is 100 times easier than another country.
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Hikin Mike
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Posted - 08 Sep 2017 :  3:52:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Hikin Mike's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cortcomp



I am not a lawyer, but were it me, i'd find a friend in an easier state to buy and register it, and then i'd have him sell it to me for $1. Coming in from another state is 100 times easier than another country.



Yep. That's what I'd do.

I hate California.

- Mike



'69 Firebird 400 - Goldenrod Yellow, 455 +.060, '6s-7' heads, Comp Cam 276AH-10 (#51-309-4), TH400, Ford 9-inch w/3.08, 800cfm Q-jet, Stock Intake, Hooker Headers, Flowmasters
'68 Coronet 500 Convertible - Medium Gold Metallic, stock 318 +100,000 miles

Edited by - Hikin Mike on 08 Sep 2017 3:54:02 PM
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scott h
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Posted - 09 Sep 2017 :  7:39:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the help. I think I am going to try the BAR referee route first.
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