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Blued and Painted
Chief PONTIAC

USA
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Posted - 23 May 2017 :  10:27:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Bill Boyle

Don't look at all the stuff in my garage...it's embarrassing to have so little space to move around and do work.

The shrubberies look good!


Bull Nose Formula/ 461/ Q-Jet/
TH400/ 3.08 8.5 / R44TS.
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Bill Boyle
Horse Feathers (Charter Member)

USA
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Posted - 23 May 2017 :  3:05:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Tuesday 23 May 2017

Thanks for not commenting on the mess in the garage Mark.

Up early and started working this morning at 7:30 am. Finished up at 12:10--just in time for lunch.

My goal was to shoot booth fenders. Only one was done. Why? I'll answer my own question. In a word, masking.

The inside of the fender needed to be protected from overspray. The edges were "back taped" and then all of the remaining areas got tape and paper. I had forgotten how long it takes to do a good masking job. I knew that I'd never get to do both fenders because of the time it took to mask one of them, so, my goal was cut in half--do one.

After shooting one and then a second coat, there was enough primer left in my cup so out came the fiberglass center section of the rear spoiler. A couple of quick coats and it was done as well as using up all the mixed primer for today. Then the other tedious task began--cleaning out my spray gun. That task took about an hour and is clean once again for reuse.

If I haven't mentioned it, the gun is a DeVilbiss HVLP, Starting Line model (see photo below). The tip is 1.8 for primer. Even though all spraying is done outside, I wear a 3M mask. Safety first, always.


Below are photos taken this morning.




















"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.

Edited by - Bill Boyle on 23 May 2017 3:08:34 PM
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cortcomp
Coyote

USA
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Posted - 23 May 2017 :  3:41:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The startingline kit is a good deal, it's what i've been using for several projects now. The 1.3 gun in that kit has given me no issues laying base and SS, i'm still trying to dial in laying the clear well with it. With as much effort as you're putting in, and your level of patience, i'd say you'd have no problem just painting the car. maybe jam in behind the fenders, door jams, etc then assemble and shoot overall?

Get the 3m pps cups + adapter! It's well worth it! Once you bleed the cup after clicking it on, you can spray any angle without sucking air. It makes cleanup 10 times easier. That little bit of clear that dries solid when you're done spraying in the bottom of a PPS cup? great firestarter puck.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 23 May 2017 :  6:04:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mike, I've been wondering about the 3M system. Thanks for providing input on it. I'll check it out some more and maybe give it a shot.

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cortcomp
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Posted - 23 May 2017 :  7:53:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You really need to get one box that comes with the outer cup. it will have lids, one re-useable outer cup, and liners. Then you need an adapter from that to your gun. It really does cut down on time.

For small stuff, look at the preval sprayer you can get a home depot for like $7. You put catalyzed paint in it and then spray it like an aerosol can. As easy as your rattle cans, but the quality of paint that has hardener in it (if that's what you put in it) I just did a motor, timing cover and some small stuff tonight in centari acrylic enamel and i have to say it laid as well as i could do it with the starting line gun.

How you lay clear seems to be what separates the men from the boys, and light metallic colors.

Since i'm talking you into painting at home, i found the 16" exhaust fan with louvers box from ebay for $100 to be a good deal...
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 24 May 2017 :  09:46:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mike--
I've ordered the adapter (Type 27) and the 3M Standard Size (650ML) Starter Kit. It should arrive in several days. If it can speed up things and make life easier...it's worth a try.

As far as shooting the car with base color and clears at home...still very unlikely. If I had the clear an uncluttered garage from 1993, I'd do it, but not with this one. Ugh!

Bill

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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cortcomp
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Posted - 24 May 2017 :  09:49:52 AM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You'll love the easy cleanup, i can do the gun totally and thoroughly in about 3-5 minutes. 10mm for the nozzle, 3/4 for the pps coupler, and a cup of thinner. If you remember to bleed the cup when you connect it (i sometimes forget), you can paint upside down and around corners without worrying about sucking air or dripping.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 24 May 2017 :  10:48:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mike,
I had also been considering the DeKups version. The 3M presentation of their system is better and just seemed to be the better system compared to DeVilbiss' version. Less fuss on clean up is very attractive.

The other major time consuming area is masking. Since the whole car is being refinished, there are only certain areas that need to be protected from overspray so, I may be making too much of a big deal of it. Example: glass, wheel wells, tires/rims, under rocker panels rear tail light area, and engine bay. Plastic sheeting could be used in large areas I suppose. I've used automotive masking paper in the past for everything. Plastic sheeting is convenient and I may have to buy a roll of 3M plastic sheeting (12' x 400'), however, what do I do with 380' or so that's left over? Maybe a trip to Home Depot for a small light weight plastic painter's tarp will suffice to cover the engine bay area.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.

Edited by - Bill Boyle on 24 May 2017 10:50:23 AM
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 25 May 2017 :  10:46:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Thursday 25 May 2017

Last evening it rained hard and more rain is expected today. Up early, I set up to start prep on the driver's fender. It needed a little more sanding with 320 grit and then masking the inside of the fender began. Masking went a little quicker than the other day--practice, practice, practice.

Once the masking was done everything was put back into the garage. That's it for today. Tomorrow may be fair so if it is, I'll shoot primer on the fender.
Bill


"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 25 May 2017 :  8:38:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just having a little cinematic fun this morning --

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance.com/videos/1979TAProject.mp4

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 26 May 2017 :  4:27:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Friday 26 May 2017

Shot the driver's side fender.

Check out the video--Part 1 of 2

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance.com/videos/1979TAProject2a1.mp4

(Still working on Part 2)

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 28 May 2017 :  9:28:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Part 2 of the video showing me applying primer to the driver's side fender could not be uploaded to the PSP FTP space so a Youtube account was created exclusively so the Pontiac enthusiasts following my 5-year + project could view it. Below is the link.

https://youtu.be/P5Gl4TQUMqg

Bill

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 29 May 2017 :  10:33:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: 29 May 2017, Memorial Day

God bless all of our veterans who lost their lives fighting for our freedom.

A quiet day here for the most part with little ambition, however, I removed a variety of parts temporarily stored in the trunk so it was finally empty. The trunk is in great shape and had no rust. The original black "carpet' was still in tact, but was a bit dusty with concrete and or cement powder on it having carried those items more than once from the store to the house in years past.

Everything cleaned up nicely, even the "carpet" except that its light rubberized backing was deteriorating. Surprisingly, when I told my wife about that she said, "get a new one." I saluted smartly and said, "yes ma'm!

This past Saturday, I was in the garage when my wife came to visit. She doesn't do that too often. She sat in a lawn chair while I was working on the car. She asked if I had one of the dollies that you use to roll under the car. I said, a "creepy," and she replied, "yes." No, I said, I don't have one because the stands I use can't raise the car higher enough for one to be used. She then asked about jack stands. We talked about it....

Twenty minutes later, we made a few phone calls and... 4-6 ton heavy duty jack stands with ratcheting action plus a separate safety through-pin were ordered along with a creepy. This was a totally unexpected development. (I need a bigger garage.)

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 30 May 2017 :  2:46:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Tuesday 30 May 2017

Lightly sanded epoxy coating on the passenger side rear quarter panel this morning. Upon close inspection, I saw several low areas that will need a skim coat of body filler to make the panel flawless. Didn't pursue that yet because I was distracted with the misalignment of the passenger side exhaust splitter with the rear panel (Pypes). The splitter tip was re-adjusted and now is properly aligned.

When the temperature drops back into the 80s (it's 94 in the garage right now) I'll lightly sand the driver's side rear quarter panel.


"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  08:51:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: There isn't one. 2 June 2017

This has been a crazy week. Issues with two of our elderly dogs had us making several emergency visits to our veterinarian. One of them is experiencing old dog vestibular syndrome--she has vertigo that was so bad we thought she had a stroke. She's 13. For days, I've had to carry her from place to place. Now she can walk but is very wobbly and has to be escorted so she doesn't fall and injure herself. Then our boy dog, age 12, scratched his eye and was really in pain from it. He's getting eye drops every two hours except at night when he's catching ZZZZs. He's wearing a protective cone while his eye is healing. Saturday we go back to the vet with him for re-exam.





"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.

Edited by - Bill Boyle on 02 Jun 2017 10:41:34 AM
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 02 Jun 2017 :  6:40:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Evening, Friday 2 June 2017

Block sanded passenger door looking for highs and lows and deep grinding scratches. Using guide coat several minor depressions were located and top part of the door received a skim coat of body filler. Tomorrow, I'll use the guide coat again as I block sand the surface. Weather permitting, I may shoot primer on the passenger side rear quarter panel and door. It will then be block sanded once more, re-coated, and primed again for wet sanding.

The 4-6 ton jack stands are ready for use, however, the creeper delivered was returned because of missing parts. Where's the manufacturer's quality control?

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 04 Jun 2017 :  05:20:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: 3 June 2017

Weather hasn't been good to do any spraying of primer. This has given me more time to assess the passenger side sheet metal. I've used guide coat while block sanding the epoxy and found several low areas that received a skim coat of body filler. The sail panel has also been worked some more adding a bit of filler in spots and block standing them with a soft block and 180 grit paper.

The upper section of the passenger door received more filler especially around the location of the sport mirror. I found this area low in spots and for the most part would not be seen with the mirror in place. Nonetheless, low spots were there and they were corrected.

Once the weather turns fair, I'll spray primer and then block sand it again using guide coat during the block sanding process. It will get a subsequent coat afterwards so the primer can be wet sanded and readied for sealer.

Progress remains s-l-o-w.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
Horse Feathers (Charter Member)

USA
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Posted - 05 Jun 2017 :  12:01:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Monday 5 June 2017

"Monday, Monday, can't trust that day.; Monday, Monday it just turns out that way.""

Rainy weather prevails for most of this week. Our rainy season has begun! What can you do?

I'm still working the passenger door using guide coat to spot the lows and then applying a little more filler. This is tedious and should yield a very straight door (not that it was bad) when I'm done.
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Also, touched up the sail panel and will sand that when the filler cures. I'll mask the rear quarter panel and door and if there's a 2-3 hour period of dry weather I'll shoot a couple of coats of primer.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

----
400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 08 Jun 2017 :  10:11:20 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Thursday 8 June 2017

Presently in the process of masking the car off to apply primer...weather has been very stormy with many inches of rain so far this week. The bad weather has been great for the grass, flowers, ducks etc. Not so good for cars, trucks airplanes and me making progress on the car.

Using yellow 3M automotive tape, the usual green masking paper and visqueen. Masking with visqueen is faster than with paper. An assistant would make it a more tolerable undertaking.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2017 :  3:37:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Friday 9 June 2017--A break in the stormy weather--finally!

Applied 2 coats of primer filler on the roof, doors and rear quarters today.







Here is my son Brian preparing the primer mix. 4 parts primer/1 part reducer and 1 part activator. (8 oz of primer, 2 oz of reducer and 2 oz of activator 3 times, so Brian mixed 36 ounces of primer to get 2 coats on the Trans Am body). Both coats are shown in the next photo.



There are several parts that have yet to receive primer. The trunk lid is next. The front and rear bumper covers have not received primer filler yet, only flexible primer that covers the raw plastic on the new front fascia (nose) and a coat or two on the original rear bumper.

Everything primed will be block sanded and any imperfections noted, will be fixed. Then I'll apply one more coat (at least) of primer. That will be wet sanded to provide a nice surface for the sealer, color coats, and clear.

There are many, many long hours of work ahead for me to get closer to "paint."


"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.

Edited by - Bill Boyle on 10 Jun 2017 08:38:59 AM
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 11 Jun 2017 :  7:52:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: 11 June 2017--A sunny day, hurrah!

My son and I spent all day reorganizing the garage. Whew! What a job.

The TA was positioned a mere 47" from the garage wall on the passenger side. That lack of elbow room made it difficult to work on that side which became quite evident earlier this week when I was masking and later spraying primer.

Today's reorganization saw just about everything but the car being removed from the garage. The car was taken off jack stands and lowered on to 4 car dollies. It was pushed closer to the center of the garage and put back on stands.

Of course everything out in the driveway had to be put back into the garage, and but for a few things that were trashed, it was organized so I would spend less time moving things around or moving things out on to the driveway.

I'll know in a few days whether this effort pays off.

Bill

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Brian R
Crazy Horse

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Posted - 13 Jun 2017 :  3:51:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking great Bill.

When do you think it will be rolling again - by next summer I hope?
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 14 Jun 2017 :  2:08:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Brian. I'm hopeful that it will be completed this year. My biggest issue remains who or what shop will shoot the color and clear. I have the ability to do it, however, shooting it in my garage, like a did back in 93, just isn't practical. There's just too much stuff and I know it would be a monumental task to get my current garage as clean and sanitized as the one in that previous home.

Now for the Update: Wednesday 14 June 2017--"Flag Day"

The flag is flying high here--as it does everyday.

There are major things and minor things to do when refinishing a car. What was decided long ago was the door jams would be kept original--no paint removal and no refinishing. Why? Because they look almost new. I took particular pains to keep them nice all these years. Same holds true with the area by the door hinges. During my previous refinish job, those areas were protected from overspray. What little overspray managed to get in there was cleaned off, so, they look nice but for the usual dirt and grime this area gets from driving the car.

Today, my goal was to exam those hinge areas and determine what should be done to make them look car show clean. What I did was clean the area with Windex, brush them when wet, and towel them off. Doing that left a couple areas that need to be freshened-up with paint--a minor job.

Months ago I ordered several cans of Nocturne Blue (GM 29, 1979) from Paint Express. They do original colors in acrylic lacquer that goes on flat and then requires a couple of coats of clear to bring in the original GM luster.

This is what was used. After cleaning, the original paint was lightly wet sanded with 600 grit paper and the surrounding areas masked off. Then it was cleaned off with rubbing alcohol and given two light coats of color followed by two coats of clear. The hinge areas are clean and look crisp!

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 15 Jun 2017 :  2:25:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Thursday 15 June 2017

Applied coat guide to the passenger side fender and block sanded it with a flexible pad to follow the fender's contours. Started the sanding with 80 and then switched to 180 grit paper. By the way, scratches in the sheet metal caused by the paint removal process were partially filled with the 2 coats of epoxy coating and the 2 coats of primer filler pretty much eliminated them all together. The current sandpaper scratches in the primer will be taken care of with more primer.

The guide coat help me locate two minor depressions at the front bottom of the fender where the fender is bent at a 90 degree angle. The depressions were so slight that I opted to let them go rather than try to correct them with filler. I believe both will disappear entirely when the fender receives its final 2 coats of primer. That primer filler will then be wet sanded with 320 and 400.

Tomorrow the other fender gets this same treatment.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 18 Jun 2017 :  7:38:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Father's Day, 18 June 2017

I hope everyone had a pleasant Father's Day.

Thinking about a few things today relative to the TA. It dawned on me that both inner fenders could be installed separately from the fender. At least they could be temporarily mounted to the car subject to proper alignment and fit with the fenders, later on. This would free up some space in the garage, but...installing the refurbished inner fenders should not precede but follow brake service. My TA is still sporting the original rotors and pads that came with it from the factory. Front brake service may be next on my "to do" list.


"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 19 Jun 2017 :  3:39:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I continue to experience problems getting parts. Trying to find anything locally is seldom productive. Ordering from Classic Industries and Ames is pretty good overall but at times they are out of stock.

Today, while inspecting the front disc brake on the passenger side, I realized it was time to replace both original front flexible brake line hoses. None of my local parts stores had them, so I contacted Ames, but was told they were "out of stock." Two are on now on backorder for me, so work on the fronts discs is temporarily delayed.

It continues to rain here, so I need to find something that can be worked on inside the garage with the door closed.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.
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cortcomp
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Posted - 19 Jun 2017 :  4:06:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No one could get you brake lines!? I would imagine they're the same for like 20 years...That's crazy to me! I needed some 80s brake lines to finish a disc conversion on the 56, and i was able to find a parts store about 10 min away that had the one i needed.

Ray said he couldn't even get softplugs! That blows my mind!
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Bill Boyle
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Posted - 20 Jun 2017 :  11:20:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mike, getting parts in South Florida...the cars of the 50s-80 are in the distant past.

It's a modern car market with leases galore, so people drive a car for 2-3 years on a lease and get another car on a lease. They do this even on pleasure cars. Most of the folks driving MB, Lexus, Infiniti, Jaguar, lease these vehicles. This is also true for mid priced vehicles. So, those who own relics are generally out of luck.

When I go into a parts store and ask for what I consider to be a common part, aside from the computer nonsense they go through, year, make, model, engine displacement etc, they typically say no we don't have that part. Then they check inventory at other affiliated brand stores in the general vicinity (30-50 or so miles) and find they don't have it either. Then they say we can get one here in a couple of days...it ships from a distribution center. Everything now seems to be a special order.

My reaction is, I can order it myself. The object was to get the "common" part today, not wait 2-3 days or more for it to come. I have little to no patience with this...so it's easier for me to order on line. However, that too can be frustrating as many things are our to stock and the part goes on backorder, arriving maybe 2 to 4 weeks later.

The UPS and FedEx drivers have worn a path to my house with TA parts and various other products related to the work being done on the car. They show an interest in what I'm doing and have stopped to look at my progress. When the don't have to make a delivery at the house, they often drive by and toot their horn at me while I'm working in the garage. I wave back at them as they drive by.

I suspect there are many areas in the USA like South Florida, and there are others areas where there's still a good demand for older car parts and it's easier to pick up a part the same day.

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Posted - 20 Jun 2017 :  11:31:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: 20 June 2017

Shot two coats of primer on the trunk lid and put one good coat on the rear bumper cover.

Urethane bumpers don't need multiple coats of primer. It's best to keep the surface thin to avoid cracking of the substrates.

The rear bumper has SEM flexible primer and 1 coat of Chroma Premier Primer Filler on it. The primer will be wet sanded and ready for Chroma Premier 2K sealer that precedes the color coats.

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Have the 3m pps cups arrived yet? If so, do you feel the ease of use, ability to see how much product is left, and less time cleaning has been worth it?

I have all the trim, glass, etc stripped on my 56. I have to replace the tail panel that someone filled with bondo, and the rest should be just scuffing/blocking and shooting. It's getting up into the 80's and muggy on warm days here, so i feel you on how miserable it can be doing body work this time of year. At least i have a garage to work in while it's raining though, i don't know how you're getting it all done! Making good progress though.
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Hey Mike, it's 1:59 pm as I type and the sky is getting thick with clouds. It was sunny this morning and that allowed me to spray the trunk lid and rear bumper cover. I expect T-showers before to long so everything is stowed away in the garage. The windows of opportunity are quite small and because of that I have not yet ventured into using my new 3M PPS cup system.

My intention is to block sand everything and then prep the car for one more good coat of primer that will be wet sanded. The PPS will be used then as I will have lots to shoot.

With all the rain, I've had to put some body work on hold and have been forced to look at other things that still need my attention. The new gas tank needs to be installed but before that occurs, while the old tank is out, I should clean up the axle and give it a fresh coat of paint. It has surface rust on it so it shouldn't be too problematical. While I'm back there, the 27-year old rear shocks should be removed and the new KYBs installed.

Another funny thing (see I'm laughing ) is that my trusty Die Hard battery has been on a trickle charge for let's see, 4 years. I can't imagine that it will be any good...so I expect to have to get a new battery this year. When it was initially hooked up to the trickle charger, I never thought it would still be hooked up 48 months later. When I think about it, I have to wonder if I bit off more than I can chew with this project. All I can do, I suppose, is take one bite at a time and just keep chewing.


PS send me a couple of picts of your 56, I'd love to see it.

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Update: Thursday 22 June 2017

Weatherman predicted good weather so I began work this morning before 7 am.

Elevated the car a few inches higher to access the rocker panels and get to get under the car and begin my clean-up and refreshing of the undercarriage that had not been done earlier in the project. (the front clip was done a few years ago).

While inspecting the rocker panels, I spotted what appeared to be a small dent on the passenger side. This was under the car not on the side of the rocker panel. The opposite side was checked and it did not have the same depression. So...I repaired it with 3M body filler. It took 2 applications to eliminate the depression. First sanded the area with 80, than 180, than 220. Mixed some primer and shot the repair. All that has to be done on the rocker panels is to wet sand them--no block sanding needed--and hit them with sealer.

While under the car, I proceeded to clean off the underbody. Surprising it wasn't very dirty. There was no rust on the sheet metal. The rustiest parts are the drive shaft, axles, and rear leaf springs, brackets and rear sway bar. From what I see, it appears to be mostly surface rust...not at all a bad condition for a 38 year old TA. So far, everything under the car is cleaning up nicely.

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Update: 24 June 2017

Refurbished the headlight bezels and prepped the LH side fender vent for primer yesterday. The bezels were refurbished in 93 and were slightly pitted after 23+ years on the car. All pitting was taken care of before being primed and painted flat black.

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Posted - 26 Jun 2017 :  08:38:27 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: Monday 26 June 2017

My car enthusiast grand daughter arrived yesterday and will be with us all week. Today, she will get the job of sanding the air cleaner base that needs refurbishing. It's a test to see how she handles the task which will be performed in the garage with temperatures expected to reach 90 or so. She's a typical teenager and not having her smart phone in hand for any length of time may be very difficult. On the other hand she may text up a storm with her friends afterwards telling them just how tedious and painful it was to do manual labor. Who knows.
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On another note, I'm not pleased with my earlier effort to eradicate surface rust inside the half frame of the car. The outside looks great, but the inside is showing surface rust again--and the car hasn't been exposed to the humidity outdoors. More to come on revisiting this situation..hmmm.

Added: She did just fine and was attentive as the "how to" instructions were given to her. She cleaned off the base with Glass-Plus, then rubbing alcohol. With all the dirt and wax removed, she began hand sanding with 220. This was followed with a gray ultra-fine Scotch-Brite pad. Then it was all cleaned up with rubbing alcohol and ready for gloss black paint.

She started to run out of steam a few times and needed a little encouragement and direction to touch up areas that needed a little more sanding or scuffing. Her smart phone was nearby but not in her hands. (Good job Grandpa) During this entire process everything about the air cleaner was explained. The tubing was removed and a small diagram was drawn to help illustrate where they all went. I drew the diagram but she watched intently. I could have taken a photo but wanted to show her something that wasn't hi-tech--the old way.

Several coats of black paint have been applied and its in my garage "paint shop" drying in the 90 degree heat. It's hotter outside--she told me that. During this "manual labor" she told me how hot it was outside. I chuckled inside, not letting on that I knew how uncomfortable she was. This was a new experience for her. Maybe one for me too.


"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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400 bored +.030, forged TRW pistons, ported 62 heads, Hedman headers, 2.5 SS dual exhaust X Pypes, Comp 276AH10 cam, Scorpion 1.65 RR, 850 Q-jet, stock intake & tuned HEI; original owner.

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Good job getting a teenage girl off her phone, my 13 yo acts like she is traumatized if the internet is down. At least my 9yo still helps out some in the garage.



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Update: Tuesday 27 June 2017

No help this morning...our grand daughter was quite tired and went off to bed early last night. Love that manual labor to help get 'ya a good night's sleep.

This morning I removed the weather seal on the shaker hood scoop and proceeded to remove the very old adhesive that held it in place. Efforts to loosen the adhesive with 3M adhesive cleaner didn't do much or anything. I cut through some of the high spots with a razor blade but found 80 grit and a Dura Bond sanding block to be the most effective. When most of the adhesive was gone 180 grit was used.

The surface of the scoop was block sanded with 180 using the small Dura Bond block and a flexible one on the round contours. There were many coats of clear coat on this piece and it still looked good enough to reuse as is; however, I'm not sure whether I'm going to re-paint it Nocturne Blue or go to a Jet Black, just to be different. I have special plans for the scoop in terms of how the TA 6.6 will be displayed on it. Same is true about the Trans Am on the rear spoiler.

More to be done on the scoop in preparing it for primer...that's for another day when there's more time to work on it.

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Update: Thursday 29 June 2017

The shaker base looks good and was put aside for the time being. Worked on the shaker hood scoop removing the old weatherstripping seal and then removing the old adhesive. My seal original to the car, was simply glued on to the shaker despite having numerous pin holes in the body of it. The new seal from OER has the pins so I hope they match the location of the holes in the shaker.

Removing the old adhesive wasn't too, too difficult although I had hoped that the 3M adhesive cleaner would loosen more of it. It did soften some adhesive but most of it needed to be cut off with a razor blade then block sanded smooth.

Below are some photos showing some of this week's activity.


















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Looking good Bill!

Are you close to Miami? My wife recently changed jobs (from NASA to Homeland) and looks like she'll be travelling to Miami for team meetings a few times a year. I'll probably tag along from time to time :-)

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Posted - 29 Jun 2017 :  3:53:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Lee- We're 23 miles or so north of Miami.

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Posted - 30 Jun 2017 :  2:37:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I feel like my progress is just barely inching along this week.

Update: Friday 30 June 2017

My little "garage cat" Tux, who lives with us in the house now, is out of sorts because we've had grand kids here two weeks in a row. Her life has been disrupted and is not sleeping through the night. Every day this week she has awakened me around 3 am. She wants me to be up with her. If I try to fall back to sleep she annoys the crap out of me until I do get up. Then she settles down and sleeps. I'm sleep deprived and without energy or purpose.

Today, I remove the few remaining pieces of carpeting from the car to exam the sound deadening material. Everything under the carpet is original to the car. I've considered using modern sound deadening material such as Dynamat but the jury is still out on removing the old stuff and installing new stuff.

Where the floor pan rises to the firewall, there is a little surface rust--that's it. No doubt water running off shoes from rain (and snow) at some time during the past 38 years reached the floor pan. I'll use a rust converted on those areas, hit them with some primer and repaint using body color. That should be good for another 38 years...

If I can get Tux to sleep through the night so I can catch up on some ZZZs, I'll have more energy to work on the TA. My little darling, below.



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Posted - 01 Jul 2017 :  10:11:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: The long holiday weekend begins--Saturday 1 July 2017

Working on the floor pan this morning.

Hit the rusty spots with a wire wheeled brush, vacuumed out the rusty debris, used rubbing alcohol to clean the area further and applied 2 coats of CRC Rust Converter. After shaking the can, the mixture is milky and slowly dries to a black finish. Two coats were applied as recommended.

The area will be sprayed with primer and painted Nocturne Blue later today when I'm certain everything is completely dry.


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BTW, seam sealer that was either thin or brittle was removed on the passenger side pan in the area that I'm working. Fresh seam sealer was added to those seams and once dry the sealer will be painted along with former rusty areas. Once coated with paint, I'm confident these areas will hold up for many years.

"Dedicated to keeping the classic Pontiac engine alive."

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cortcomp
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Posted - 01 Jul 2017 :  3:02:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit cortcomp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You're not alone today Bill! Using a wire wheel on a grinder to strip paint off of the underside of the 56 deck lid, hope to get that and the underside of the hood in paint this weekend!
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Bill Boyle
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It's a grind, isn't it Mike.

Still wondering if I should remove all of the OEM placed insulation on the floor pan. The stuff on the firewall was pulled off and about a foot or so on the floor pan from the rise was removed. This area is particularly subject to exhaust heat, especially toward the transmission tunnel. Something needs to go back...for sure.

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Update: Sunday 2 July 2017

Removed all the OEM insulation on the passenger side of the car this morning. The original padding looked okay, but I was concerned whether it was concealing rust under it. So, having decided to replace it with new OEM padding etc., out it came. The section in front of the back seat had some minor rust showing and I'm already taking care of that. When I spoke to my wife about what I was doing and why, she became very interested, so much so that she went off by herself to look at insulation. She came to me with a suggestion to go with Quiet Ride Solutions.

This product I knew nothing about. We wound up spending 2 hours doing more research and learned that the system is 2 -part. First, specially located Dynamat pieces are put down to change the harmonics of the floor--to dampen vibration and noise. The 2nd part is using Quiet Ride's insulation which is glued down on top of the floor pan and Dynamat pieces. Then all the pieces are taped together. She believes this is the system I should install in the TA. It comes in a full kit that includes more than what I wanted to insulate or in the alternative to install just the floor and roof an maybe the trunk--areas you choose to do.

My wife made a good argument for this product notwithstanding its cost. Somewhat surprising. However, she knows this car will remain in the family and wants me to do it right. She rode with me across country from CA to FL in 2002 in it and wasn't impressed with the drone of the exhaust or the lack of insulation to keep her warm in December.

I'm not sure my budget can take this added expense, so, I haven't committed to doing it as of yet, so in response to my wife, I sang, "let me sleep on it baby, baby let me sleep on it, let me sleep on it I'll give you and answer in the mornin' "


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Update: Monday, 3 July 2017

Still working on the floor pan. All OEM insulation is out and the entire floor pan is exposed. As far as appearance and condition are concerned it's in great shape--an A-. There are a few areas, as noted earlier, where there's some surface rust. I expect to apply primer and paint to the rust treated areas soon. Things are coming along.

No decision on which sound deadening product will be used.

Some thoughts: I am rather amazed on just how good a condition the floor pan is after 38 years. Another interesting thing, at least for me, was how many odd ball fasteners were found impregnated in the asphalt type sound deadening patches or found underneath the OEM insulation. I suspect these were dropped inadvertently by factory workers while assembling the car. At this point I have no idea where these may have been used .

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Evening Update: 3 July 2017

Decision made....

I'm going with Quiet Ride's AcousticShield insulation.


http://www.quietride.com/acoustishield.html

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You'll be happy when it's done, i noticed a big difference in my truck when i did it.

If you're fighting a drone, i feel you. I've had that 1800-2200 rpm drone in most of my vehicles. Newer mustang GT, the 71 tempest, the 69 has it slightly. The only vehicle i haven't run across it in was the 66 truck, but it has a factory 327 with full, single 2 into 1 exhaust with big old factory round muffler.

The only exhaust i could find for the 56 was one with "turbo" mufflers and an X pipe, which brought the drone right back in that RPM range. Being a 700-r4 car, it spends a lot of time in that rpm range.

I found these at summit. They're made to put near the collectors in a car with no mufflers. I emailed the company asking if i could just put them in the tail pipe, would it make a difference. They claimed as long as i already had a muffler, yes, they'd be effective in the tail pipe.

I bit the bullet and tried them. I tapped them into the tailpipes (so i could remove if they were terrible) and lo and behold, a LOT quieter car. In fact, at certain speeds, all i hear is the wind-noise and a quiet thrum like an electric motor. Not sure if i lost any power with them or not, but being in the tailpipes i doubt it.

https://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/cci-3di25r/
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Mike
The exhaust drone existed prior to my installation of the Pypes X-pipe system with a cross flow muffler. Not sure if it exists today or not...but the wife gave her blessings to do the upgrade on the insulation. I'm good with it.

Location of mufflers and pipe dimension go into eliminating drone (among other things). All things the factory engineers solve for new cars. Aftermarket is hit and miss. Performance is #1, eliminating drone is way down the list for hot rodders and aftermarket manufacturers. If the
drone persists and is not quiet inside, I'll have to study the drone problem very carefully to solve it.

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Posted - 04 Jul 2017 :  8:51:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
4th of July

Nothing of consequence done on the car today. Instead, a couple of hours were spent cleaning and relocating tools in my cabinet. Often times, I'll put a tool back in the correct drawer but without thought of positioning it so I can find it the next time. Did that today.

I hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday with family and friends. Back to the grind tomorrow for most of us.

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Posted - 05 Jul 2017 :  8:51:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bill Boyle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Update: 5 July 2017

For those who have read Part I of this project thread, you know that my TA's dash pad has a lousy crack in it at about the 1 to 2 o'clock position in relation to the steering wheel. Removing the dash pad and sending it out to Just Dashes is too rich for my blood; a replacement is on order with Ames and I'm #92 on the list....(I'll never see it.) So what I did last year was purchase a cap to fit over the old pad. It's new and in the original box. Tonight, by happenstance, I learned of a company that manufactures and sells a product that can applied to repair that lousy crack. The company is Polyvance.com.

I've ordered all the required "ingredients" that will allow me to fix the crack. I'm going to give this a try and I'm hopeful....If this fails, I'll do the cap. If it's a success... I'll sell the cap.

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