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Sparafucile Posted - 16 Feb 2015 : 10:28:06 PM
I saw a B-body on the opposite coast. Supposedly it was running when parked. I might have the money for the purchase but definitely not the transport. I have a friend out there that may be able to store it while I scrape up more cash.

I am also considering looking for a storage lot out there.

Of course flying out there would put a dent in the transport savings fund. I think if I get photos of enough good parts that I don't see too often, it may be worth it for just the parts.

I could also have my friend's mechanic work on it and try to drive it home on my next vacation.

How crazy am I?

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Sparafucile Posted - 28 Mar 2015 : 11:03:32 PM
67DRAKE alluded to my progress or lack thereof in my search for the 68-B Body.

If it was local and I had a place to work on it I would have grabbed the one on the west coast. Too many logistical stumbling blocks right now.

While I was hemming and hawing over the prospect of paying $300 just to get some rear end installed, but not get the brakes hooked up, I saw another.

This one seemed to be a better deal with cheaper transport costs.
Did I mention I'm having a Hip replaced? My HR manager told me that my disability payments will be slow. Plus I am having more tests stretching my medical budget into my Pontiac budget. I decide I need to hold on to my Pontiac cash until I am back at work.

I also saw one I thought was overpriced, but 1 1/2 hours from another friend, so I could get it there, get it registered/trip worthy and drive it home.

As it goes I see two or three and then go 4 to 6 months without seeing any. I'm worried there won't be one when I'm finally in a position to just get it they'll be rusted away.

My number one criteria is an intact body. Seems like rebuilding sheet metal would be the highest cost, but tell me if that is a bad assumption on my part. I also want factory air but I am thinking I can find a dash with the vents and retrofit it.

I looked at a 72 nearby reasonably priced but couldn't compromise on the year. I've seen a few really nice '67s as well.

About 5 years ago at another job, I saw the perfect one at lunch, on a flatbed- he guy just bought it.

Sparafucile Posted - 21 Mar 2015 : 9:37:43 PM

Here's a B-Body in Saskatoon,

I found this site surfing for Info about the Republic of Doyle GTO. Anyone familiar with that TV show?

I wonder if the NOSReproductions is a good source for parts, since the Canadian Ponchos are similar.

I also like the Maple Lead on the Pontiac LOGO.

Just sayin'.

Sparafucile Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 9:45:20 PM
Thanks guys for the input.

I figured I would have to bookmark each location and then just load all tabs.

The problem I have is I can no longer do a search on a new location, even hitting enter. I have to start from scratch Also I have very slow internet ( kind of like a Chevy 350 in a 68 Firebird ).

I was reading that users predominantly use a mobile device, so Fixes for PC browsers may no longer be a priority.

I may want to go get a car before I have my hip surgery ( I'll be laid up for a while afterwards). I'd need an older model U-haul trailer to tow it. Any other suggestions for a B-Body sized trailer?

I'd be just as happy to get it picked up if its even money, but could be tougher to make a deal with people being wary about doing non local deals.

cortcomp Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 10:37:41 AM
Sometimes on mobile i don't see the go button and hit return and it searches, on location i never really use it, i save the search strings and run then in new tabs in the chrome browser so i'm not manually entering the same searches again and again.

So basically, do a search for what you want, then bookmark it. Then, change the city name up top and hit enter, and it will run that search on a new city:


So that's all 68-69 pontiacs with a pic in youngstown. Then i replace Youngstown with cleveland, columbus, detroit, pittsburgh, cincinnati, indianapolis, etc. Once you find and bookmark all the cities (i was up to about 95 searching for GTOs), you can put them in a folder on your bookmark bar, and right click the folder and "open all bookmarks."

You'll have 90 tabs, but it only takes a split second to scan each one for new links (read will be purple), if i see any i ctl+click which opens them in a new tab and keep moving. Once you've done it a few times, it takes about 5-10 min to search the whole country.
Phil Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 08:10:25 AM
I had ongoing problems with CL but after I updated my iPad it works fine again. Go figure.
Sparafucile Posted - 09 Mar 2015 : 12:39:25 AM
cortcomp - question: Did something just change on Craigslist? Seems with Java disabled, I don't have a location drop down box, but still have the " go" button.

With Java enabled I have location drop down box but cannot search the new location - no "go" button.

It seems the are against interstate trade.

Thanks in advance.

Sparafucile Posted - 21 Feb 2015 : 10:13:31 PM

Now THIS is a basket case, although I might need that manifold.
Sparafucile Posted - 19 Feb 2015 : 7:06:23 PM
I'm a little woozie having trouble recovering from recent surgery but I' try my best. If I stop posting it just means I'm in the hospital for a while.

Originally you said working driver which I think is much different than a daily driver, but your description was fairly succinct so I'll go from there. I have a daily driver. The nice looking convertible that needs the new trunk welded in place might be a "working" driver if I new how to weld and had a place to do it, but not yet a daily driver.

I'd say a working driver is one you can tag and self transport for repairs but won't hold up to daily use yet.

Your description of basket case, although more vague and seemed maybe like an opportunity to criticize, does not describe the car I think I am looking at. I guess I will have to send an appraiser to have more confidence in this particular find.

Why would I spend effort on anything but the car I want?

But lets talk about those basket cases anyway, and the health of the Pontiac 400 CID Block Movement. I've seen a few basket cases. I've seen a few more where someone got in a little deeper than the level of there commitment where just a little more effort or expertise, or patience, would put it back on the road. It really upsets me to see a guy pluck the engine block out of a perfectly good Pontiac and send what's left to the glue factory.

Now what if all those doe eyed fledgling Pontiac enthusiasts throw up their hands and walk away? What percent of restoration dollars will disappear? How much active restorations does it take to keep these vendors healthy and parts available for an economical price? The more activity the better for everyone.

So someone fails and sells the car and the next person fails and sells it again? If people are getting a good experience out of their hobby then good for them. Maybe they learn something, or maybe they just have fun. Maybe they've started a basket case on the path to

How sad if the only venture one embarks upon has a guarantee of success.

As a wise man once said, its the lost causes that are the ones worth fighting for.

Of course I want to avoid all that $#!+. The car I am looking is supposed to be intact in Body and Trim. Those are the hard parts to find. Engines and trannies are all over the place.

I asked about a couple of 4 door sedan's on Craigs list. I got little response about the condition. They were over priced and or needed financing. There are plenty of restored vehicles I would buy but I can't finance a car until I can insure it and I can't insure it until I have a garage to put it in.

There's also a daily driver out there I'd like to get back with this car.

Daily drivers will do the most for the Hobby. Parts on them will keep wearing out so they'll support the most vendors, making that missing stainless steel bolt available for the P and P's out there.

Bill, take your time finding your A/C parts. Doesn't look like you'll be needing them for a while.

Bill Boyle Posted - 19 Feb 2015 : 10:24:26 AM
A "basket case" in my view, is an auto project that will never come to fruition because of it's poor condition. It's a vehicle that needs so much work that it will consume too much money and time and become an overwhelming burden for the owner. Many cars being offered for sale fit this description. If purchased it will continue to be a basket case unless lots of many and resources are applied to it. And they are sold, because one person's basket case just might be another enthusiasts "treasure trove."

A "daily driver" is a working driver where the windows work, it starts and stops on request, doesn't overheat in traffic, can be driven everyday, is useful transportation and can be maintained. The year doesn't matter.

Sparafucile Posted - 18 Feb 2015 : 6:38:05 PM
That's a great question. I'll post my answer on the " daily driver " forum. I realize that some of my answer may be hard to pick out of my above posts.

For clarification though, how do you define " basket case " vs " working driver" and all the other categories?

Sparafucile ( this should always be sung )
Bill Boyle Posted - 18 Feb 2015 : 10:03:23 AM
You seem to be interested in purchasing a "basket case" rather than a drivable car that can be improved upon. Why not start with a working driver?
Sparafucile Posted - 18 Feb 2015 : 12:14:56 AM

They're all beauties. Of course I've seen most of these already but don't mind seeing them again. Once I get my Sedan I'll be looking for one or two of these as well.

As soon as Bill opens the " Daily Driver " forum I'll tell you why specifically I want the '68 4 door sedan.


cortcomp Posted - 17 Feb 2015 : 11:13:22 PM
I see now a 68, here's some 68/69s

http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/4805457209.html (pricey i know, but look what you get for 15k!)

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4894496761.html <-----score! 4 door 68 great condition good price

http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/cto/4883125985.html <---68 convertible runs and drives!

Those should keep you busy for awhile.

cortcomp Posted - 17 Feb 2015 : 10:51:43 PM
If you want a 4 door b body, that's like saying you're into sassy heavy women. the world is your oyster my friend, and those are the most avail, cheapest cars. Let me load up my scripts i used for car searching. What years we talking?
Sparafucile Posted - 17 Feb 2015 : 10:07:17 PM
Also I am wondering if I should put all posts here. I asked about $300 to put in a rear end in the dive train forum, but maybe I shouldn't break up the thread.
Sparafucile Posted - 17 Feb 2015 : 4:13:34 PM

This is just a 2 door hard top. Is it worth $2000 with the drive train needing to be reassembled? I've seen a couple where folks have taken them apart and want to sell without putting it back together.

I'm not ready to settle for a 2 door.

Sparafucile Posted - 17 Feb 2015 : 12:06:24 AM
Thanks for the rapid response.

I don't know where to start. Should I try to answer all at once or opt for baby steps? I keep deleting paragraphs.

As I guess for most of us, it's a long way to one's target vehicle.

Have you quoted shipping an 18 footer cross country lately?

Money for Hotels? What's this now?

I am looking for a 68 4 door sedan.

I figure a 400 with a 2 bbl gets 22 hwy. That's 137 gals even at $4 that's $545. Now if I can get it to tow quality, there is a second car I'd like to bring back with it. I guess that's the dividing line between Dream and Fantasy?

I was under the impression it's $1500 to $2000 coast to coast. Think I can get a 2fer?

My Budget is $300 to $500 a month. I'd spend $1100 now for this base to work from:

Solid frame and body, factory air ducts and dash ( compressor optional ),leaky TH400 and smoky 350 and up. I'll store it until I can tag it.

I believe they put 350's in some Canadians. I've probably seen 350's as replacement engines in the compartment as well.

The budget changes if I buy a house. The primary purpose of the house house is to store and work on the car. If I build a garage I might buy a more finished vehicle as I could insure and therefore finance it with a garage to protect it.

I saw an interesting convertible in New Hampshire. A convertible is a nice 4th or 5th choice for me. Since it wasn't ready to tag it's not an option now.

I saw a 2 door post on Craig's in Connecticut. That would be a 3rd choice. Even knowing it wouldn't last, I decided to hold out to see if my first choice is still out there. I saw a T-top as well but that's maybe a 2nd or 3rd car in the future.

A wagon would be a second choice but likely out of my price range.

I've got a couple of places across the country I might be able to drop a car. I am temporarily in Virginia. I have a good mechanic in North Carolina. The question is how can you tag it to cross state lines. I read there were a limited number of u-hauls that can take a wide track. What else could I rent?


cortcomp Posted - 16 Feb 2015 : 10:52:40 PM
I've driven across the country three times, it's great for the soul. Once was in a beater of a truck! However, it's like $700 in gas and then some for hotel and everything, it'd be hard to beat shipping rates right now. Also, B bodies are just available. Unless it's free, i'd say, in my opinion, sat withing maybe 5-7 hours driving range? You can get a lot of car for your money right now, and B bodies have always been affordable. Where are you located and what's your budget? i'll find everything around!

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